Has the devil really been silenced?

[Syndicated]

Who all believes that the devil has been completely silenced?  Isn't that one of the things Jesus accomplished when He died?

I hear a lot of Christian people talk about how when things go bad or wrong in their lives that the devil is attacking them and 'challenging' their faith.  Peter talks about having to resist the devil...

1Peter 5:8Be of sober spirit, be on the alert Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
   9But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world.


And James...

James 4:7Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.


  I realize that we're all human and crappy things happen to everyone, whether they're Christian or not.  But with so much evil going on, how do we know that the devil no longer has power in this world?  Is there any scripture that backs it up?

[rosered]

 
  Hi Synd ,
 to me ,it all depends on  who the devil/satan  is  adversary ..
  the liar and murderer from the begining ...
 who /what do you think  satan / devil is ?
 
  thanks rose 
 
 
 

[WhiteWings]

  I realize that we're all human and crappy things happen to everyone, whether they're Christian or not.  But with so much evil going on, how do we know that the devil no longer has power in this world?  Is there any scripture that backs it up?

The devil still rules this world.
Revelation 12:9-10   and the great dragon was cast forth -- the old serpent, who is called 'Devil,' and 'the Adversary,' who is leading astray the whole world -- he was cast forth to the earth, and his messengers were cast forth with him.  10 And I heard a great voice saying in the heaven, 'Now did come the salvation, and the power, and the reign, of our God, and the authorit

In Revelation satan is still doing his things.

2 Corinthians 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Matthew 4:8-9  Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;  9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
=> Satan want to 'give away" the kingdoms he owns.

Just my

[Syndicated]

 who /what do you think  satan / devil is ?
 

 I have always thought that the devil is a being that is 100% against everything Jesus stands for; Peace, love, joy, fruitfulness, etc.  (The character portrayed in scripture who is opposed to the will of God as the serpent/Satan/the Devil/ the Dragon)

I was always told that Jesus' death defeated the devil but we still had to watch out for evil people and evil temptations from him, and that the devil could still 'get me'.  But something just never felt right to me about Jesus defeating him then... it's contradictory for me.  How can the devil be defeated but still have the power to do things?  It makes me think that Jesus didn't fully complete His work when He died.

[WhiteWings]

How can the devil be defeated but still have the power to do things?

 
The devil never needed to be defeated because God always had him on a leech.
Job 2:6 The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, he is in your hands; but you must spare his life."
At the time of Job Jesus wasn't born yet (on earth). And even at that time satan asks permission to test Job.
Doesn't sound like God needed Jesus to defeat satan because He couldn't deal with him Himself.

who /what do you think  satan / devil is ?
a] Red guy with a pitchfork?
b] Evil spirit?
c] An angel kicked out of heaven?
d] Me?
e] You?
f] All/most of humanity?
g] Something else?

[rosered]

 

  Hi Synd ,
   

   I agree with your statment  satan is against every good thing that Jesus/ Truth  stands for ...
 
  the only power satan has is over death and the fear of it according to scriptures too
   I find it amazing that  Jesus / Truth  went around  healing the sick /blind unclean spirits in folks with a good healthy dose of truth  Himself    the Word made flesh ...

 
Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
 
  Jesus is the victory over the power of death /devil as its wisdom
 
 
  Hsa 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes. 
  big UR Verse here to me !!  and  Jesus Christ is the name above all names      and is  my joy
 
  Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. 
Phl 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 
   I just wanted you to know I have reseached  this stuff and all the many religions about satan/ devil and am surprised at what is really  out there 
 
  I hope to share more  later
  for now i have to go
    thanks and  many blesssings  in  Jesus name 
 
  rose
 
 ok WW what is that  poll  ??lol ... a good answer

[WhiteWings]

ok WW what is that  poll  ??lol ... a good answer

Upset I didn't put you on spot a] in that poll RoseY? 

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

That verse confuses me big time...

[rosered]

ok WW what is that  poll  ??lol ... a good answer

Upset I didn't put you on spot a] in that poll RoseY? 

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

That verse confuses me big time...

  Ha  ha !   Hey Ya Bro T !  good one   made my day ha ha ! i would say

  g] Something else? would be my answer bro .......
 
  that confusing verse Jesus uses , well , the word TILL
 Was the big clue  for me
 
  two other places /accounts written
 
Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. 
. 
Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

 
  what is tasting death mean?
 
  here is two places that speaks the same things
 in the old and in the new testaments , here is the answer to me of that verse what Jesus meant  ,   to swallow up death/ the lie  in Life / Truth
 

 Isa 11:4But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
 
 
 2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:  [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 


 2Th 2:10   And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
  If you have a love for the truth....... the Truth /Jesus will set you free
 
  they are synonymous with one another  Truth /     Jesus  Christ  this name  is  Above " all things "
 
 ever look up "all things " what a study that is ! pretty awesome how many times its mentioned ...... here is one example . two three  good ones here
 
 

 
 1Cr 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 

 
 Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me. 
Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 
Jhn 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

 
 all things .........Lexicon Results Strong's G3956 - pas πᾶς
Transliteration
pas
 Pronunciation

pä's (Key)
 
Part of Speech
adjective

 Root Word (Etymology)

including all the forms of declension
 

 

Outline of Biblical Usage 1) individually

a) each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything

2) collectively

a) some of all types
   lots to consider when "all things " means everything  eh ? 

[Syndicated]

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

That verse confuses me big time...

I don't understand what this verse has to do with the devil having power or lack thereof.  This verse to me says that there were people that Jesus was talking to that were still going to be alive when the Kingdom of God came to earth.

[WhiteWings]

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

That verse confuses me big time...

I don't understand what this verse has to do with the devil having power or lack thereof.  This verse to me says that there were people that Jesus was talking to that were still going to be alive when the Kingdom of God came to earth.

I have the same question and thought as you Syndicated. RoseY posted the verse. I just quoted it from her post. She explained it but....well I still don't understand. Another reread...

Little note/"warning" threads quite often go totally off-topic. All with the best intentions buts still off-topic. It can be a bit frustrating when someone really wants a answer to his/her question.

[Taffy]

Hi Rosey

enjoyed ya post 
 

[Syndicated]

who /what do you think  satan / devil is ?
a] Red guy with a pitchfork?
b] Evil spirit?
c] An angel kicked out of heaven?
d] Me?
e] You?
f] All/most of humanity?
g] Something else?

I would be most inclined to say that he is an evil spirit, however the bible talks about him being a serpent or a dragon, so that would make him a beast that was created on the fourth day.  If God is the creator of ALL things, then that means that He created the devil too, right?  THEN He looked at everything He made and said that it was good! 

Gen 1:31God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. 

So whatever he is, God intended for him to be created, and He created him to be an evil being.

[rosered]

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

That verse confuses me big time...

I don't understand what this verse has to do with the devil having power or lack thereof.  This verse to me says that there were people that Jesus was talking to that were still going to be alive when the Kingdom of God came to earth.

 
  Hi Synd ,
  

  your right that is true , they would  still be living and breathing human beings  that would witness  his comming
  
 
  and I will  say  again ,  satans power over death was defeated   by the Cross of Jesus Christ ..
  I dont think  when you really believe /obey Jesus /as the  Truth  than the lies are destroyed  

 

I realize that we're all human and crappy things happen to everyone, whether they're Christian or not.  But with so much evil going on, how do we know that the devil no longer has power in this world?  Is there any scripture that backs it up?

  Jesus kingdom is not of this world  so why would  you think satan has no power in this world ?
 
Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence./here .............  
 
   satan still is roaming the earth /flesh
 
 there is a couple of things I have  thought about , I am not convinced of anything  yet , but
  God gave Adam /edom   dominion  over the earth has that changed ?
    Adam /from  edom  means   Adam   means man  mankind   from the meaning  edom 119 1) to be red, red

a) (Qal) ruddy (of Nazarites)

b) (Pual)

1) to be rubbed red

2) dyed red

3) reddened

c) (Hiphil)

1) to cause to show red

2) to glare

3) to emit (show) redness

d) (Hithpael)

1) to redden

2) to grow red

3) to look red

 who is the red dragon ?
   the serpent of old ?
 
 
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.  
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,  
 
how could satan tempt Jesus with the kingdoms of this world if he  could not offer it , was this dominion given of God to Adam in  the begining  of old ?

   is the serpent/ dragon  the carnal mind ?
  I have  thought of every angle  on this
  and no solid  answer ..
 
      many things I cannot explain but share in your wonder  
  
  I hope we can continue to discuss this further though
 
  
 
  

[rosered]

Hi Rosey

enjoyed ya post 
 

  bless you bro G!!!  Good to see you up and about ..  missing you alot these days bro . hope all is well
    rose

[Syndicated]

Jesus kingdom is not of this world  so why would  you think satan has no power in this world ?
 
Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence./here

I agree that Jesus said that the kingdom of God is not of this world, but as far as I understand it, Jesus conquered the devil when he died and took over his dominion.

John 16: 33"These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world."

satan still is roaming the earth /flesh

John 12:31"Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out."

who is the red dragon ?

Where did this come from??  And the list of 'Redness' really had nothing to do with anything.

[WhiteWings]

I agree that Jesus said that the kingdom of God is not of this world, but as far as I understand it, Jesus conquered the devil when he died and took over his dominion.

If you compare the percentage of evil with the percentage of good in this world. Did Jesus win?
If you follow maninstream ET teachings 95% will goto hell. Did Jesus win?

And the list of 'Redness' really had nothing to do with anything.

Adam means red earth...

[rosered]

Jesus kingdom is not of this world  so why would  you think satan has no power in this world ?
 
Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence./here

I agree that Jesus said that the kingdom of God is not of this world, but as far as I understand it, Jesus conquered the devil when he died and took over his dominion.

John 16: 33"These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world."

satan still is roaming the earth /flesh

John 12:31"Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out."

who is the red dragon ?

Where did this come from??  And the list of 'Redness' really had nothing to do with anything.

  Hi Synd ,
 
    I do believe  the prince of this world is being judged ..
 
  when Jesus  said  this I do believe  the part in Rev  was fulfilled being cast down into the earth
 
 Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.    
 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.  


 Luk 10:20   Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.  

 
 
  Sorry you feel that  way  Synd , when do you think Jesus saw satan fall like lighting from heaven ?
 
  
 for I was just trying to show that   Red  it is part of adams make up edom / adam
 
  I tend to think it does have something to do with the  old  red dragon /serpent
 
  and cannot prove anything  
 
 blessings sis  

[rosered]

I agree that Jesus said that the kingdom of God is not of this world, but as far as I understand it, Jesus conquered the devil when he died and took over his dominion.

If you compare the percentage of evil with the percentage of good in this world. Did Jesus win?
If you follow maninstream ET teachings 95% will goto hell. Did Jesus win?

And the list of 'Redness' really had nothing to do with anything.

Adam means red earth...

  wow!!  you were posting  as I posted bro ! ya beat me to it though ... 

 Adam means red earth,  Yes, thats true  and God  did give  Adam dominion over all  the earth  , Till Jesus  recieved it   all  dominion   heaven , eath and below    good point  bro T !

 
Jhn 3:31   He that comes from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is above all. 
 
 
 

[Dallas]

The devil never needed to be defeated because God always had him on a leech.

If he was on a leash, then he would do only what God wanted, right. So all things evil in the world is God choice. Death being the greatest of all God's works.

1 John 3:8 "the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil."

Truth is, Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil, especially death.

Question, did Jesus suceed or not? Of course He suceeded. The works of the Devil have been destroyed.

How? Well Revelation says staright forward, and you see in Job that the Devil was the ACCUSER of the Bretheren. He came before God to accuse them.... of what? The same thing the devil did with Jesus, the devil accused according to the Law of Moses. Now that the Law has been fulfilled and no longer has power or authority the Devil can no longer bring forth a charge before God. The devil was left with no ability to perform his works.

[Seth]

Who all believes that the devil has been completely silenced?  Isn't that one of the things Jesus accomplished when He died?

The devil does indeed have power. The way I view the death of Christ will factor into my response to this very fair and great question. I USED to think of Christ's death and resurrection as a past event. It was, don't get me wrong. It literally happened 2000 years ago.

However, in Romans 6 it speaks about being buried by baptism into that death. The baptism is the Spirit.

So indeed, the silencing of the devil is accomplished through Christ's death, yet I believe that we are to be conjoined to that death and in that way we are continually walking in that death and resurrection of our old self which used to listen to that devil's voice.

Does that make sense?

[Seth]

ok WW what is that  poll  ??lol ... a good answer

Upset I didn't put you on spot a] in that poll RoseY? 

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

That verse confuses me big time...

WW, Paul said in the book of Romans that: the kingdom is "righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."

Romans 14:17

So if Jesus says that there are some standing there that there are some that will see the Kingdom come with power, what is he talking about in regards to Romans 14:17? Were there some folks standing there that received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost?

I don't think what Jesus means by "see" is to see with physical eyes. Anyone who has these three things: righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit has seen Christ come in power in his Kingdom.

Now it doesn't mean that we have recieved the promise entirely, only that we have it as a deposit until the "redemption of the purchased possession." But Paul's definition pretty much resolved that one-time problematic scripture for me.

[rosered]

Who all believes that the devil has been completely silenced?  Isn't that one of the things Jesus accomplished when He died?

The devil does indeed have power. The way I view the death of Christ will factor into my response to this very fair and great question. I USED to think of Christ's death and resurrection as a past event. It was, don't get me wrong. It literally happened 2000 years ago.

However, in Romans 6 it speaks about being buried by baptism into that death. The baptism is the Spirit.

So indeed, the silencing of the devil is accomplished through Christ's death, yet I believe that we are to be conjoined to that death and in that way we are continually walking in that death and resurrection of our old self which used to listen to that devil's voice.

Does that make sense?

does to me  in adam all die ! in Christ all shall be made alive 
 
 1Cr 15:23   But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.  
 
 

[Dallas]

Sorry you feel that  way  Synd , when do you think Jesus saw satan fall like lighting from heaven ?

Luke 10:17 "The seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name."

   18And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

   19"Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you.

   20"Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven."

In context you can clearly see that Jesus was commenting on the disciples work, that the spirits were subject to them. He was illistrating that by the demons being expelled that as a whole the power of the Devil was being cast out of Jerusalem.

for I was just trying to show that   Red  it is part of adams make up edom / adam
 
  I tend to think it does have something to do with the  old  red dragon /serpent

The red dragon of Revelation 12 is interestingly the only mention of a RED dragon in the bible however there are multiple mentions of dragons, to try to link a red dragon with red earth is completely mystical and without biblical responsibility.

The truth is, Revelation 12 is talking about the birth  of Jesus and how the jews were under control of the Pharisees who kill Jesus, but don't fear church, just as God gave wings to the children of Isreal in egypt God will give the first century church wings to escape the pharisees/ rome (false prophet/beast) also.

[rosered]

Sorry you feel that  way  Synd , when do you think Jesus saw satan fall like lighting from heaven ?

Luke 10:17 "The seventy returned with joy, saying, "Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name."

   18And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

   19"Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you.

   20"Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven."

In context you can clearly see that Jesus was commenting on the disciples work, that the spirits were subject to them. He was illistrating that by the demons being expelled that as a whole the power of the Devil was being cast out of Jerusalem.

for I was just trying to show that   Red  it is part of adams make up edom / adam
 
  I tend to think it does have something to do with the  old  red dragon /serpent

The red dragon of Revelation 12 is interestingly the only mention of a RED dragon in the bible however there are multiple mentions of dragons, to try to link a red dragon with red earth is completely mystical and without biblical responsibility.

The truth is, Revelation 12 is talking about the birth  of Jesus and how the jews were under control of the Pharisees who kill Jesus, but don't fear church, just as God gave wings to the children of Isreal in egypt God will give the first century church wings to escape the pharisees/ rome (false prophet/beast) also.

  Thank you Dallas for your answer 
 
  I agree the Truth /Life does have power over  death /  the lie    murderers
 
  they have reason to rejoice that their names are written in heaven  more so than that  power over satan / adversaries /death
 
  this work  was  actually the Holy Spirit working in them   to Gods glory 

[rosered]

ok WW what is that  poll  ??lol ... a good answer

Upset I didn't put you on spot a] in that poll RoseY? 

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

That verse confuses me big time...

WW, Paul said in the book of Romans that: the kingdom is "righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."

Romans 14:17

So if Jesus says that there are some standing there that there are some that will see the Kingdom come with power, what is he talking about in regards to Romans 14:17? Were there some folks standing there that received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost?

I don't think what Jesus means by "see" is to see with physical eyes. Anyone who has these three things: righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit has seen Christ come in power in his Kingdom.

Now it doesn't mean that we have recieved the promise entirely, only that we have it as a deposit until the "redemption of the purchased possession." But Paul's definition pretty much resolved that one-time problematic scripture for me.

it has  been   resolved  for me too,
  I have  posted the same message bro Seth 
about the peace , joy and holy Spirit being 
in the Spirit and  seeing  the  power of God  though Christ
  love your clarity 
 
  I also agree with the eyes of understanding  being  spiritual  eyes to SEE  JESUS  :icon_flower:Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,