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« Reply #75 on: November 06, 2009, 12:04:21 PM »


Hey beloved.
What if that script was the old script? Solomon never was given the wisdom of Christ or the wisdom that Christ brought.

 cloud9 Sorry Barry, but I don't agree with this. You might be surprised at what wisdom was Solomon was given.

And I'm not understanding your previous post about Satan being silenced? Are you equating him with the Jews somehow? I don't get it. Thanks....Blessings.....
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« Reply #76 on: November 06, 2009, 03:28:26 PM »

Hey Cardinal.
It is ok with me if you or anyone else disagrees with my any of my views. In any case this is what I believe.
If I may touch on this one point for the moment from my point of view.

Ecc 1:1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem. 
Ecc 1:2   Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all [is] vanity
Ecc 1:3   What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun? 
Ecc 1:4   [One] generation passeth away, and [another] generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
{The old covenant system had no efficacy to it. Wherever potential was manifested God stopped it. (Gen. 8)
 
Ecc 1:5   The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. 
Ecc 1:6   The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. 
Ecc 1:7   All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea [is] not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. 
Ecc 1:8   All things [are] full of labour; man cannot utter [it]: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing. 
Ecc 1:9   The thing that hath been, it [is that] which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun. 
{Labor was unfulfilling under the old system. History could not build upon itself as it has for the last 2000 years. Working democracies, Magda carta, bill of rights, women's rights, abolition of slavery, human rights, movement from kings to judicial as opposed to the movement from Judaical to kings http://infinite-grace.com/judges.htm
ECT. The old covenant man saw nothing new.}
Ecc 1:10   Is there [any] thing whereof it may be said, See, this [is] new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. 
Ecc 1:11   [There is] no remembrance of former [things]; neither shall there be [any] remembrance of [things] that are to come with [those] that shall come after. 
Ecc 1:12 I the Preacher was king over Israel in Jerusalem.

Mat 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon [is] here.

This gives us both a comparison of the greatness of the wisdom and Solomon and that of Christ and a clear time frame.   

1Cr 1:19 for it hath been written, `I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the intelligence of the intelligent I will bring to nought;
1Cr 1:20 where [is] the wise? where the scribe? where a disputer of this age? did not God make foolish the wisdom of this world? 
1Cr 1:21 for, seeing in the wisdom of God the world through the wisdom knew not God, it did please God through the foolishness of the preaching to save those believing.

1Cr 1:28 and the base things of the world, and the things despised did God choose, and the things that are not, that the things that are He may make useless -- 
1Cr 1:29 that no flesh may glory before Him; 
1Cr 1:30 and of Him ye -- ye are in Christ Jesus, who became to us from God wisdom, righteousness also, and sanctification, and redemption, 
1Cr 1:31 that, according as it hath been written, `He who is glorying -- in the Lord let him glory.'

The old covenant man could not know God in His wisdom until Christ.
Col 2:3   In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name. 
Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 
Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
{covenantally speaking of course} for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea {IE no more Gentiles}. 
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 

The correct tense in the Greek is "I am making everything new".
If we cannot see the new world around us it is either because it has not come yet or because we are interpreting the bible through our own personal expectations which are blinding us.
I believe in the latter.

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« Reply #77 on: November 06, 2009, 04:10:45 PM »


 
   Hi Barry and Card ,
 
  I  looked into this years ago
  and saw somethings that may help  out
  or not lol   I realized   that   the way  the Bible is worded   has a great mystery in it     How  it is worded in such a way , that  connects to other scriptures
 
 
  But it started with this  verse here Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which [is] upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies
 
  now here Solomon  was given 1Ki 4:29 And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much, and largeness of heart, even as the sand that [is] on the sea shore. 
 
  in comparing these two verses   them seeds / children 
 as  stars of heaven  [ lights shining with the knowldge of God in a high and dark place .
 
   And the other children   as the sands of the sea shore
 
   more moved by the water of the  Word and still  more so  earth bound
 
 
 
  I will shorten this by using the  few verses  needed to explain
    what I saw when Jesus spoke about Solomon and those lillies of the field  , when I went into a deeper look on lillies I saw they  were   basically " trumpets " and  " upright white ones "
 
 
Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 


 Mat 6:28   And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin


 Mat 6:29   And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 

 Mat 6:30   Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, [shall he] not much more [clothe] you, O ye of little faith? 

 
 all flesh is grass   Isa 40:6 The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh [is] grass, and all the goodliness thereof [is] as the flower of the field: 
1Pe 1:24 For all flesh [is] as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away


 
    So  I just saw Solomon  in His glory as  for a time and  season   it  faded   and fell   , his was  of the earthly  realm  and Jesus Christ  is the wisdom of God and the power  of Life
 
 1Cr 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.   

     we all  know this  though 
 I just was trying to show how  the  Words seem to connect  in different places
   ...  Heart 
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« Reply #78 on: November 06, 2009, 05:57:15 PM »



Heard of the real estate boom?
Well, our house has been bought for a high price!
The highest price that could ever be paid.

I agree, that is why the elect cannot be deceived.  thumbsup
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« Reply #79 on: November 06, 2009, 06:43:32 PM »

The connection between Satan and apostate Israel:[as things had developed in this time of course]

Gen 3:4   And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:  
Gen 3:5   For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.  


2Cr 11:1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in [my] folly: and indeed bear with me.  
2Cr 11:2   For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ.  
2Cr 11:3   But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ {too come under the law, the knowledge of good and evil as it were}.  
2Cr 11:4   For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].  
2Cr 11:5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.  

These are the Judaizers of the first century.

Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.  That is what the "Satan" of the bible cherished. An independent human potential. The things of men. The goods of the strong man which was strong in the precedence of types and figures. Adam was a type of Christ. Christ was the last Adam.

Mat 23:33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Mar 3:26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
The Jews were involved in a 3 prong civil war by the time the Romans came in AD 70. John (one of the three) had entered into the temple where not allowed by law and this became the abomination that causes desolation. These were the armies that signaled a departure for the believers. The Roman armies would have been too late. For if the Roman armies are the ones who created the abomination which is specific to the temple then that would be about 4 months after they surrounded old Jerusalem. Clearly too late to be the armies of Luke 21:20.


Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, {spiritually} but [are] the synagogue of Satan.  
Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. There is a very clear difference between understanding the bible in its time and so extrapolating the spiritual meaning from the historical manifestation and trying to adapt the bible to our personal expectations to make it relevant to us in our present time.  

There is a very clear difference between understanding the bible in its time and so extrapolating the spiritual meaning from the historical manifestation and trying to adapt the bible to our personal expectations to make it relevant to us in our present time.
The two different approaches have very distinct differences. That is what I'm saying.
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« Reply #80 on: November 06, 2009, 07:46:43 PM »


 
   Hi Barry and Card ,
 
  I  looked into this years ago
  and saw somethings that may help  out
  or not lol   I realized   that   the way  the Bible is worded   has a great mystery in it     How  it is worded in such a way , that  connects to other scriptures
 
 
  But it started with this  verse here Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which [is] upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies
 
  now here Solomon  was given 1Ki 4:29 And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much, and largeness of heart, even as the sand that [is] on the sea shore. 
 
  in comparing these two verses   them seeds / children 
 as  stars of heaven  [ lights shining with the knowldge of God in a high and dark place .
 
   And the other children   as the sands of the sea shore
 
   more moved by the water of the  Word and still  more so  earth bound
 
 
 
  I will shorten this by using the  few verses  needed to explain
    what I saw when Jesus spoke about Solomon and those lillies of the field  , when I went into a deeper look on lillies I saw they  were   basically " trumpets " and  " upright white ones "
 
 
Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 


 Mat 6:28   And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin


 Mat 6:29   And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 

 Mat 6:30   Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, [shall he] not much more [clothe] you, O ye of little faith? 

 
 all flesh is grass   Isa 40:6 The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh [is] grass, and all the goodliness thereof [is] as the flower of the field: 
1Pe 1:24 For all flesh [is] as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away


 
    So  I just saw Solomon  in His glory as  for a time and  season   it  faded   and fell   , his was  of the earthly  realm  and Jesus Christ  is the wisdom of God and the power  of Life
 
 1Cr 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.   

     we all  know this  though 
 I just was trying to show how  the  Words seem to connect  in different places
   ...  Heart 

 cloud9 Loved this, Rose........never noticed those connections before.  thumbsup
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« Reply #81 on: November 06, 2009, 08:04:54 PM »

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Loved this, Rose........never noticed those connections before. 

 
  Thanks sis I have been ejoying your posts  alot  , they sure are blessing me 
 I cannot possible  comment on every one  but wanted you to know how much    I hear you Sis!!!  icon_flower  PTL !!  Heart Love ya girl
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« Reply #82 on: November 07, 2009, 08:02:21 AM »

I will shorten this by using the  few verses  needed to explain
    what I saw when Jesus spoke about Solomon and those lillies of the field  , when I went into a deeper look on lillies I saw they  were   basically " trumpets " and  " upright white ones "
 
 
Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 


 Mat 6:28   And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin


 Mat 6:29   And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 

 Mat 6:30   Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, [shall he] not much more [clothe] you, O ye of little faith? 

 
 all flesh is grass   Isa 40:6 The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh [is] grass, and all the goodliness thereof [is] as the flower of the field: 
1Pe 1:24 For all flesh [is] as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away


 
    So  I just saw Solomon  in His glory as  for a time and  season   it  faded   and fell   , his was  of the earthly  realm  and Jesus Christ  is the wisdom of God and the power  of Life
 
 1Cr 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.   

     we all  know this  though 
 I just was trying to show how  the  Words seem to connect  in different places
   ...  Heart 

Good stuff IMO
A few thoughts:
The wisdom of Solomon is compared over-against that of Christ. Solomon serves as a type and anti-type.
In kingship over Jerusalem (of old). His number is 666.He stands for the princes of that age.
In Wisdom (old to new)
In wealth and riches (Ownership as opposed to NC stewardship. We do not even own our own bodies. We are no longer spirits in prison.)
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« Reply #83 on: November 07, 2009, 08:56:33 AM »



Heard of the real estate boom?
Well, our house has been bought for a high price!
The highest price that could ever be paid.

I agree, that is why the elect cannot be deceived.  thumbsup
Ah, but they can be, if they are not diligent and watchful.
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« Reply #84 on: November 07, 2009, 11:26:45 AM »

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Good stuff IMO
A few thoughts:
The wisdom of Solomon is compared over-against that of Christ. Solomon serves as a type and anti-type.
In kingship over Jerusalem (of old). His number is 666.He stands for the princes of that age.
In Wisdom (old to new)
In wealth and riches (Ownership as opposed to NC stewardship. We do not even own our own bodies. We are no longer spirits in prison.)
Barry

     Hey Bro Barry ,
  I agree with your   exampls ! 
 good job thumbsup , looked into  this  with a small group of friends  in bible studies a couple  years back , and you just refreshed  them in your above   reply [ brought back toremembrance ] for me 
 Thanks !!!  Heart   1Cr 6:20 For you  are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. 
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Heard of the real estate boom?
Well, our house has been bought for a high price!
The highest price that could ever be paid.

I agree, that is why the elect cannot be deceived.  thumbsup
Ah, but they can be, if they are not diligent and watchful.


I disagree with that.

Mark: 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

2 Thessalonians 3:3:
But the Lord is faithful, who will establish you and guard you from the evil one.

John 10:27-30
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

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« Reply #86 on: November 08, 2009, 03:15:39 AM »

Heard of the real estate boom?
Well, our house has been bought for a high price!
The highest price that could ever be paid.
I agree, that is why the elect cannot be deceived.  thumbsup
Ah, but they can be, if they are not diligent and watchful.
I disagree with that.
Yep the elect can't be deceived but the saints can.
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Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ....
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« Reply #87 on: November 08, 2009, 03:19:39 AM »

Heard of the real estate boom?
Well, our house has been bought for a high price!
The highest price that could ever be paid.
I agree, that is why the elect cannot be deceived.  thumbsup
Ah, but they can be, if they are not diligent and watchful.
I disagree with that.
Yep the elect can't be deceived but the saints can.
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« Reply #88 on: November 08, 2009, 06:07:50 PM »

Heard of the real estate boom?
Well, our house has been bought for a high price!
The highest price that could ever be paid.
I agree, that is why the elect cannot be deceived.  thumbsup
Ah, but they can be, if they are not diligent and watchful.
I disagree with that.
Yep the elect can't be deceived but the saints can.
So according to you, there's a difference between the two?
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« Reply #89 on: November 09, 2009, 03:30:58 AM »

Jenna,

Below what Ray Smith wrote. I hope it makes some sense because it's part of a much larger article so you may miss some info on what he build his conclusions.


"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall
show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, IF IT WERE
POSSIBLE, they shall deceive the very elect" (Matt. 24:24).
Ah, but it is NOT POSSIBLE to deceive the very elect! Will someone tell me what's going on here with this wild beast?

WHO ARE THE SAINTS?
If the very elect can't be deceived, is it possible for saints to be deceived? Yes, there is a difference. One can be a saint long before he becomes the VERY elect.
Were the believers in Ephesus called, saints?
"Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, TO THE
SAINTS which are in Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus"
(Eph. 1:1).
So, Yes, the believers in Ephesus were called saints. But were they perfect? Were
they spiritually mature? Were they the VERY elect? No, they weren't.
"Unto the angel of the church of EPHESUS write… I have
somewhat ['somewhat' is not in the Greek texts] …I have against you,
because you have LEFT YOUR FIRST LOVE" (Rev. 2:1 & 4).
Is Jesus accusing the whole church at Ephesus of leaving their first love, if in
reality, there were only a few? But there were NOT just a few—the WHOLE
CHURCH of Ephesus "left their first love." And furthermore, since the Seven
Churches are ONE CHURCH, THE WHOLE CHURCH left their first love! Believe
it or not, leaving one's first love, is part of the process of "going on to perfection"
(Heb. 6:1).
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« Reply #90 on: November 09, 2009, 08:25:49 AM »

Heard of the real estate boom?
Well, our house has been bought for a high price!
The highest price that could ever be paid.
I agree, that is why the elect cannot be deceived.  thumbsup
Ah, but they can be, if they are not diligent and watchful.
I disagree with that.
Yep the elect can't be deceived but the saints can.
So according to you, there's a difference between the two?

My take:
There is no difference between the elect and the saints in that they are of the same goal and mission.
The word "elect" has a final result in view. That final result is dependent upon a completion or perfection process that involved temptations, sufferings, persecutions and trials.

The word saints, involves more the process and so a "proving ground" or "testing ground".
It does not mean that someone could not be believing and then unbelieving.
It means that some of those functioning as saints would have to be proven to be the elect. [And would then not be hurt by the second death.]

2Ti 2:17   And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; {Converted Judaizers}
2Ti 2:18   Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; {Teaching that the Temple and Jerusalem would not be destroyed} and overthrow the faith of some {by bringing them under law}. 
2Ti 2:19   Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 
2Ti 2:20   But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 
2Ti 2:21   If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, [and] prepared unto every good work. 
Blessings Barry

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« Reply #91 on: November 09, 2009, 09:36:59 AM »

Matt 5;19 anyone who breaks one of the least of these

 commandments,shall be called "least" in the kingdom of heaven.
But whoever practices and teaches these commands will be

called great in the Kingdom of Heaven

  Matt 25;40  The King will reply,' I tell you, whatever you did

for one of the least of these my brothers of mine ,you did for me

  Hebrews 8;11  No longer will a man teach his neighbor,or a

man his brother,saying'know the Lord' for they will all know

 me,from the least to the greatest. For I will forgive their

wickedness and remember their sins no more


  2 Cor 11;13 For such men are false apostle's,deceitful

workmen,masquerading as apostle's of Christ


  Matt 18;6  And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my

name,welcomes me.But if anyone cause one of these little ones

 who beleive in me to sin.It would be better for him to have a

large millstone hung around his neck,and to be drowned in the

 depths of the sea[Rev 18;21] then a mighty angel picked up a

 boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the

sea,and said; with such great violence the great city of Babylon

 will be thrown down,never to be found again'


Rejoice over herOHeavens Rejoice saints and apostle's and

prophets! God has judged her for the way she treated you.


   So yes, many little ones have been led into error, but our

 Father promises to teach them. All will know Him.

 
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« Reply #92 on: November 09, 2009, 11:37:21 AM »

Jenna,

Below what Ray Smith wrote. I hope it makes some sense because it's part of a much larger article so you my missing some info on what he build his conclusions.


"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall
show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, IF IT WERE
POSSIBLE, they shall deceive the very elect" (Matt. 24:24).
Ah, but it is NOT POSSIBLE to deceive the very elect! Will someone tell me what's going on here with this wild beast?

WHO ARE THE SAINTS?
If the very elect can't be deceived, is it possible for saints to be deceived? Yes, there is a difference. One can be a saint long before he becomes the VERY elect.
Were the believers in Ephesus called, saints?
"Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, TO THE
SAINTS which are in Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus"
(Eph. 1:1).
So, Yes, the believers in Ephesus were called saints. But were they perfect? Were
they spiritually mature? Were they the VERY elect? No, they weren't.
"Unto the angel of the church of EPHESUS write… I have
somewhat ['somewhat' is not in the Greek texts] …I have against you,
because you have LEFT YOUR FIRST LOVE" (Rev. 2:1 & 4).
Is Jesus accusing the whole church at Ephesus of leaving their first love, if in
reality, there were only a few? But there were NOT just a few—the WHOLE
CHURCH of Ephesus "left their first love." And furthermore, since the Seven
Churches are ONE CHURCH, THE WHOLE CHURCH left their first love! Believe
it or not, leaving one's first love, is part of the process of "going on to perfection"
(Heb. 6:1).



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« Reply #93 on: November 11, 2009, 12:11:50 AM »

I really appreciate all the views people have given on this thread.  It has given me a lot to think about and sort out for myself.

Much thanks to all.

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... please don't stop discussing this.... it is very interresting for me to see.
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« Reply #94 on: November 11, 2009, 03:22:28 PM »

I really appreciate all the views people have given on this thread.  It has given me a lot to think about and sort out for myself.

Much thanks to all.

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... please don't stop discussing this.... it is very interresting for me to see.

  Why thank you sis for making it ! 
 Do you have any views  on the subject ?

  For many years  I had nothing   solid .or even could explain what satan is .

  But there is many  things to look into  and  seach out  before a conclusion .
 
  But I found most people hold their own "thoughts"  about it .
  lots of different   verses  and  Word meanings in the  greek and Hebrew  dictonary  with Lexicon  and articles on this site and  also on the internet 

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« Reply #95 on: November 15, 2009, 03:10:07 PM »

Who all believes that the devil has been completely silenced?  Isn't that one of the things Jesus accomplished when He died?
Heb 10:12-14
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. (KJV

12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,
13 waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET.
14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. (NASB)

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« Reply #96 on: November 15, 2009, 04:46:57 PM »

Who all believes that the devil has been completely silenced?  Isn't that one of the things Jesus accomplished when He died?
Heb 10:12-14
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. (KJV

12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,
13 waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET.
14 For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. (NASB)


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« Reply #97 on: November 19, 2009, 01:21:13 PM »

Heb 10:12-14
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God

What does this mean?

Does God have a hand?


Zechariah 3:1
And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.




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« Reply #98 on: November 19, 2009, 01:29:58 PM »

 cloud9 Yes, He has 2 of them, a right (Spirit/male) and a left (natural/fenale). He is "clapping" His hands right now, ie. joining His Spirit to flesh or natural, apostle to prophet to create one new man. Some people do not know their left hand from their right hand; this is why we are given discernment.

Christ ascended sits on the right hand as the ring of authority does, ie. the seal. This is why the 5 fold ministry of CHRIST as SPIRIT in men, is the hand of God in the earth. Blessings....
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« Reply #99 on: November 19, 2009, 01:34:43 PM »

cloud9 Yes, He has 2 of them, a right (Spirit/male) and a left (natural/fenale). He is "clapping" His hands right now, ie. joining His Spirit to flesh or natural, apostle to prophet to create one new man. Some people do not know their left hand from their right hand; this is why we are given discernment.

Christ ascended sits on the right hand as the ring of authority does, ie. the seal. Blessings....
If the right hand of God is the Spirit/male, then, what are the sons of God?

Are they the right hand of God?  That Christ is sitting on?
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