Have you seen this?

[Nicolás]

I found this on CARM:

http://www.carm.org/religious-movements/universalism/objections-answered-paper-it-gods-will-all-people-be-saved

God can do what He wants. He can damn all if He chooses and be perfectly just and right in so doing without changing His loving character one bit.

WHAAAAAAAAT???

[WhiteWings]

Sure God can do everything He wants. Who's gonna stop Him?
But!!!!
He also vowed certain things.
So He limited Himself.
Surely He can break His own vows. But I think not even the peopl on harm promote that idea.
BTW it also means He can let everyone in heaven He pleases. No ET rule is gonna stop Him.

You know Nicolás, letting those people watch religious afairs is just as smart as letting a fox guard a hen house

BTW next month we celebrate your birthday here: St. Nicolaas (day).

[legoman]

I found this on CARM:

http://www.carm.org/religious-movements/universalism/objections-answered-paper-it-gods-will-all-people-be-saved

God can do what He wants. He can damn all if He chooses and be perfectly just and right in so doing without changing His loving character one bit.

WHAAAAAAAAT???

Yep, one of the many outlandish, ridiculous and ludricrous contradictions that Calvinsts will state.  I've heard several different Calvinists say that same thing exactly.

I don't think anyone disputes that God could damn all if He chose too.  The real issue: is that a loving thing to do?  Of course not, and I have yet to have anyone explain it otherwise.  You will get arguments like "mankind deserves to go to hell" or "man volunteered to go to hell by sinning", while thy ignore their own theology which states God created and predestined them to be in that condition.  So in effect God made a bunch of bad people so He could eternally torture them for being exactly as He created them.

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I'm increasingly of the opinion that concepts like love, justice, etc are logical absolutes.  One cannot define them to mean anything they want simply because you are the God of the universe.  God cannot declare himself loving and torment all creation for eternity, any more than He can say 2+2=5.  God is logical; I believe He created logic so it would be logical.  Otherwise everything is meaningless and love=torture, 2+2=5; basically it devolves into a system of unstable nonsensical doublethink.

[Gab]

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.

...And now I suppose we now must add, "Love is hatred." to the list of doublethink.

[peacemaker]

God can do what He wants. He can damn all if He chooses and be perfectly just and right in so doing without changing His loving character one bit.

The Mind creates the abyss, but the Spirit crosses over it.

[Raggedy Anne]

WhiteWings,

I so enjoyed your reply in this thread.   

"HARM"?  Reminds me of "FIX", but that is beside the point.   

Anne

[WhiteWings]

Yep Anne. The H of heresy, horror